Why They Are Called Femtards....

So recently, I was interacting with a buddy on twitter and was accosted by a couple of prochoice femtards who exhibited all of the normal (lack of) debate skills shown by the left generally, and by feminists especially, and who gladly donned the mantle of fascist barbarians if that was what was necessary to change the spelling to womyn. The actual tweets, with the actual twitter screen names, followed by my highly enlightening comments, follow....

Note: I have adopted "twitter" style to identify the speaker - the speaker, the one tweeting, is identified by the @ symbol. I.e., when you see @objectifychicks, I am the speaker. Also note that I have, for ease of reading, occasionally converted twitter abbreviations to their English signifier (i.e, "2" to "to," "shd" to "should," etc.), and have added punctuation and capitalization throughout for ease of reading.

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@Auragasmic I never see pro-lifers tweeting about capital punishment or war. #duh #prochoice

You will notice that nothing that a femtard ever says shows any insight or evidence of an ability to think independently. This is actually true of ALL of the left, but it is particularly evident in feminists. If they haven't heard someone else say it, and if it is not a political slogan which can essentially fit on a t-shirt or bumper sticker, they are incapable of expressing it. So tell ya what, let's trot out the old "pro-lifers don't care about capital punishment" argument, shall we? Nobody's ever brought that one up before!!! Hint to all femtards: the reason why some people who are pro-life support capital punishment and war, but do NOT support abortion, has everything to do with the twin issues of helplessness and innocence. I do not expect you to be able to morally reflect on these two concepts, so get someone who is more morally advanced than you are to explain it to you - like the nearest second grader.

@objectifychicks I never see #femtards tweeting about false allegations of domestic violence or rape. #prochoice #duh #fail.

@objectifychicks I never see #femtards tweeting about a CHILD'S right to choose-to be born. #prochoice #duh #fail

@objectifychicks I never see #femtards tweeting about why, if they are as capable as a man, they have to have standards lowered to do what he is already doing.

@objectifychicks I never see #femtards tweeting anything other than political slogans. Wonder if they are capable of thinking? #stopwondering

Notice that I have exposed the tender underbelly of feminism with this series of tweets. Though femtards maintain that if a woman's feelings are not taken into account, she is being abused, they do not see false allegations of domestic violence and rape - which put innocent men in jail for years and separate them from their kids and assets - as anything to particularly worry about. Some exalted sense of "justice" femtards have. And while femtards warble on and on about a woman's choice to either kill her unborn or let it live, they never seem to care about the "choice" of the father of the unborn or of the child itself. And while femtards warble on about how they are equal to men and are capable of doing everything that men can do, they immediately begin to lobby for new legislation and affirmative action lowering standards so that women can do what men are already doing under existing standards. Notice that my femtard prey will only opt to attempt to deal with what she considers to be the low-hanging fruit, and notice how it traps her....

@Auragasmic uh... that would insinuate that it possessed the ability to choose. #lolduh #logicfail #prochoice

Note the deep and abiding ignorance of the femtard. First, she does not understand the very words that she is using. A statement which plainly states something doesn't "insinuate" anything. But a femtard believes that using any word with more than two syllables justifies them spending two years earning that M.A. in Women's Studies. Secondly, note the utter daftness of the self-absorbed retard that is the feminist - she believes that the "choice" of the powerful trumps the rights of the weak. Keep this in mind, because our femtards will wholly adopt that philosophy in just a bit....

@objectifychicks I never see #femtards tweeting for retarded kids to be slaughtered because they are incapable of choice. #prochoice #logicfail

Now, to a femtard, all killing is equal. And notice that our femtard's comparison of abortion to capital punishment and war (see above) is a tacit admission - or INSINUATION - that abortion is, in fact, killing. So if a pro-lifer believes in capital punishment for the protection of society or war for the protection of the nation, that is the moral equivalent to the amoral feminist of killing an innocent baby for the femtard's own personal convenience. Again, our prey(s) will admit this before the night is over. YET, note that though all killing is equal, our semi-retarded prey cannot quite catch that there IS a real equivalence between her principle that, if an unborn lacks choice and can therefore be killed, then retarded kids who also lack meaningful choice can be killed under the same principle.

@Auragasmic O.o a change of topic because you are incapable of proving your case. Perhaps you should ask one [a femtard??? - ed.] because I am not one. Cheers.

Is it an inability to see the correlation between the retarded kid and the unborn, or is it an unwillingness?

@objectifychicks I am asking YOU. Or did you run out of political slogans to spout? Better get that boob job, chickie, or life will be hard!

@Auragasmic I am all for protecting the rights of the mentally retarded. Take it home, yo!

Note that the sloganeering, at this point, has even devolved lower than the normal low ebb of leftard "discourse." Because she can't think of another political slogan, she slips into some sort of urban grunt-expression. Perhaps I caught her in the middle of her Snoop Dogg marathon. Note how smoothly I transition back to the question at hand, which she hopes that she has deflected with her deviation into "Gin and Juice."

@objectifychicks On what logical, moral, or philosophical principle is a retarded kid more entitled to life than the unborn? #femtard #fail

@Auragasmic Well, the simplest one would be that the retarded kid isn't LIVING INSIDE SOMEONE ELSE. #areyoudaft #prochoice

@objectifychicks So your principle is that the more dependent a person is, the more brutally they may be slaughtered? Very barbaric of you. #fail




This is the part of the discussion that femtards, because they are innately morally blind, because the initial choice to live in the unreality in which men and women are equal in every way is an immoral choice to live in flaky fantasy rather than truth, do not want to have. As long as abortion is about "choice," it is not about murder - and that, the murder of people far more helpless and innocent than any other mass killing in history, which they would roundly condemn.

@Auragasmic It's quite simple and if you would use the head on your shoulders rather than the one in your pants this wouldn't be difficult.

Of course, "you don't understand anything because you are a man and have a penis." Having lost the battle, she attempts to salvage the war by appealing to the unique nature of chicks. And note again the implicit idea that men only ever interpret reality through their own sexual desire. Yawn. I think the technical term for this type of non-argument is the ad hominem attack. By the way, chickster - every single instance of "women's intuition" that I have had the opportunity to observe in my entire life has proven to be false. Better start reading and learning rather than relying on your unique knowledge as a woman... errrrrr, womyn.

@Auragasmic No one ON EARTH has the RIGHT to use someone's BODY AGAINST THEIR WILL. Not even a fetus. #prochoice

Yes, chickie, if you don't make any sense, just TALK/TWEET LOUDER and you will be more persuasive. Notice how I now reveal the problem with her principle-made-on-the-fly....

@objectifychicks But I take it the pregnant woman can use the unborn's body in any way they see fit without consent-including disposing of it as trash? #specialpleadingforchicks

@Auragasmic No, my principle is that NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO USE ANOTHER'S BODY AGAINST THEIR WILL. #prochoice

OK, just keep repeating it rather than engaging the question, since you know the question exposes you.... Now I will draw the net.

@objectifychicks But a pregnant woman can use the body of an unborn as they will-as trash to be disposed of? #logicfail #barbarian

@Auragasmic She has the right to decide if she wants to donate her uterus/body and possibly life to something using her body. #prochoice



@objectifychicks It's not the body of the woman at issue. It's the body of "another." You know how you said that nobody may use the body of another?

@Auragasmic That other BODY is violating the woman's by using her uterus as a home. Develop another means of removing the fetus, then.

@objectifychicks BTW, being a #femtard and #barbarian #prochoice #monster I know etymology eludes you. But you realize "fetus" is Latin for "baby?"

So her argument is shown to be: 1) Special pleading for chicks - a baby cannot "use" the body of its mother, but a woman can "use" the body of the baby. 2) Inconsistent - whereas she SAID that nobody can use the body of another without the other's permission, what she MEANT was that nobody but a woman can use the body of another without the other's permission. And by the way, this sort of double standard applies to men as well. A woman may choose to "use" the body and labor of a man when she chooses to get pregnant without the consent of a man, making him an indentured servant and forcing child support payments for 18 years. But a man who is the willing father of a child cannot keep a woman from aborting it, not even if he denies his consent. The truth is that to a feminist, only women have rights. EVERYONE else - men, children, the government, society itself, had better hop to and obey the random will of the emotional cripples who populate the National Organization of Women. 3) Dishonest - attempting to hide behind a quasi-clinical term such as "fetus" doesn't change the fact (and we all know that it is a fact, including femtards) that the "fetus" is a "baby."

@Auragasmic It could be a leprechaun ya daffy prole. It doesn't have the right to use SOMEONE'S BODY AGAINST THEIR WILL #prochoice

Notice what we learn from this hyperemotionalism: 1) Femtards don't really care about children, though they make a lot of noise about children. A child has no more right to life, to care, to the respect of its mother, than does the mythical leprechaun in the mind of the femtard barbarian. Children are really just pawns that feminists use to persecute men and to fashion a socialistic society for themselves (Have you ever noticed how EVERYTHING that is a goal of the left is "for the children?").

@objectifychicks Oh, so there is an exception to your moral rule that NOBODY has a right to use ANOTHER'S body against their will? #specialpleadingforchicks #nottoobright

Making the point, again, and it will not be the final time that I make it before the light clicks for her, that though she uses the language of equality (NOBODY can use ANYBODY'S body), she actually argues for a double standard that favors women simply because they are women-as all of feminism does.

@Auragasmic The fetus' existence is VIOLATING the woman's right to bodily autonomy. #thinkwiththerighthead #prochoice

Life doesn't matter. Cruelty doesn't matter. Suffering doesn't matter. The expectation of the weak that the strong will protect them doesn't matter. The expectation of society that a mother will protect her children doesn't matter. The rights of men or children do not matter. Society doesn't matter. Survival doesn't matter. Justice doesn't matter. What matters? Whatever notion has entered the mind of the nearest neurotic holding a NOW sign. Only what a woman considers to be her "right" matters to the femtard.

@objectifychicks So NOBODY has a right to use ANYBODY'S body without consent, unless the NOBODY is a woman and the ANYBODY is unborn. Am I getting it right? #barbarian

@Auragasmic If U have another method of removing the fetus and placing it somewhere to develop for nine months, we're all ears.

Note the assumptions: Women are not responsible for their own decisions. If a woman makes a mistake or finds herself in a bind,, society owes it to her to let her have the easy way out. This, of course, does NOT apply equally, because, as noted before, if a woman does not decide to have an abortion, the man who had sex with her will, in fact, be held responsible for his decision to have sex with her by ponying up 18 years of child support payments. Note also that the problem is everyone else's, not women's. Women get pregnant. They don't like it. Therefore they abort. Because they can't be held responsible. If you don't like abortion, it is EVERYONE ELSE'S responsibility to come up with a solution for women ("If U have another method... we're all ears!"). The femtard utopia is not only a world in which women are not responsible for their actions (though everyone else is responsible for theirs!), but is rather a world in which everyone else is responsible for the choices that women themselves make! If YOU don't like abortion, then YOU come up with a plan, don't expect women to come up with an alternative - the ball is in YOUR court! And note that even nature itself does not escape the condemnation of the feminist. Even BIOLOGY and ANATOMY must be modified if the femtard is to be placated! And you think you are gonna marry one of these Hitlers in High Heels and somehow please and satisfy her? You think the demands are EVER going to stop???

@objectifychicks The unborn was invited into the uterus by the woman when she chose to have sex. How #barbaric would it be if I invited you into my house and then killed you for entering?

@Auragasmic Birth control fails and condoms break. Are you saying no one should have sex unless they want to have kids? #lol #prochoice

Note how the femtard eludes the real question of her own brutality, and her own desire to live a life in which her irresponsibility is subsidized by millions of slaughtered children, millions of exploited men, the corruption of government and justice on her behalf, and the eternal pain of the children left to live with her when feminism has trained her to be a neurotic, self-absorbed barbarian - forever forsaking the tender sentiments needed to be a devoted mother. To the femtard, all issues come down to self-gratification - for which sex is a convenient stand-in - because all femtards are self-absorbed, and have no love or tender feeling toward any person on earth - obviously including (and perhaps, least of all) her own children.

@objectifychicks Here's a thought. Maybe YOU should be responsible for once? Maybe YOU should find a means of sexual gratification that doesn't place other lives at risk?

@objectifychicks When I drive, I take certain risks. If I cause damage, why should the people I have hurt pay for it? If YOU screw up, why should another pay for YOUR screw up? [no pun intended, ed.]

@objectifychicks Trust me, I know the answer. WOMEN cannot be held to the same level of RESPONSIBILITY as, say, TEENAGE drivers! #specialpleadingforchicks

@Auragasmic Using your logic, we should let accident victims die because they chose to drive and knew the risks. #lol #prochoice

Of course, this is quite a logical leap by our emotionally-charged, neurotic, and intellectually vacuous femtard. My statements require no such conclusion. While I would certainly agree that a person who drives without adequate insurance and knows the risks and has an accident should be left to pay the cost of the damage he has caused, even his own medical care, I have said nothing that demands that accident victims die simply because they drove. Perhaps her illogical leap is dishonesty on her part, or perhaps it is because the pro-abortion femtard just has death on the brain. The reader will note, though, that in fact, I specifically use the word PAY, not DIE. But she is on the ropes, grasping at straws, because she is a moron and it has been revealed to be so on twitter for all to see. So she manufactures an argument that she feels she can win. This is the logical fallacy known as the straw man argument. Femtards, as I have stated, are not capable of insight and intellectual activity. They are capable of rote memorization of bumper sticker slogans and... logical fallacy.

@objectifychicks Thanks for proving that chicks are not as logical as men. That's YOUR (il)logic, not mine. #godgaveyouboobsbecauseyoucantthink

At this point, @Auragasmic essentially dropped out and a couple of her friends joined the fray. This is a common tactic among those who realize that 1) they are wrong, and 2) they are not intellectually equipped enough to continue to argue their wrong position; they summon friends to come and pelt the one showing up the fooltard/femtard with meaningless insults and questions until a level of frustration sets in which allows the femtard to depart thinking that at least a truce was preserved. In fact, one of the femtards actually admitted...

@Auragasmic ... I wonder if he realizes he's being trolled?

Followed a discussion on whether I had stopped beating my wife, whether or not I had ever been in the presence of a vagina, whether or not the domain name http://objectifygirls.blogspot.com was registered to an a$$hole, numerous uses of the term #sexist and #misogynist, typical femtard henhouse prattle. If you can't win the argument, you can always insult your much wiser opponent. But there was at least one significant exchange that ought to be preserved. Reverting back to my indisputable assertion that the baby had been invited into the womb when the woman decided to seek sexual gratification with a fertile man, another woman, whom we shall dub femtard #2 entered with this groaner....

@sophiadaniels the police would still enter and remove me by force even if you invited me in. #lol #prochoice

Now, see what has just transpired. We have previously had @Auragasmic admit that she really doesn't mind killing that much, when she admits that, in her mind, abortion, war, and capital punishment all share the same moral ground. We now have a second femtard admitting that she believes in the use of FORCE, the same level of force authorized to the police, against the unborn!

@objectifychicks Thanks for the admission that you believe in using force & violence against the helpless. #feminazi #barbarian #femtard

@sophiadaniels No problem. Thanks for demonstrating that all #prolifers are #sexist #misogynists.

Note that I thanked @sophiadaniels for admitting that she believes in using force and violence against the helpless. Note that rather than denying it, she responded "No problem," fully accepting my evaluation of her admission.

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What have we learned?

1) Feminists are called femtards for a reason. They simply are not very bright. We instinctively recognize that only children live in fantasy worlds (and children aren't very bright either, which is why we make them go to school for 12 years), but if your fantasy is that men and women are equally-abled in all areas of life and that women are gentle, cooperative, and peaceful, we call your neurosis "feminism" and grant you a Ph.D. But at the end of the day, you can't assemble enough degrees to make this nonsense sound like anything other than the crazed, amoral ravings of a UFO abductee who REALLY sees a pink elephant in the corner.

2) Feminists are, indeed, filled with hatred. Their hatred extends to the fruit of their own womb, and to everyone around them. Their hatred spurs them to approve and utilize violence and force against anyone who stands in their way, including a husband, lover, or the child in their own womb.

3) Feminists are the living proof that women don't always make good parents. How ridiculous is it to argue that women innately possess a nurturing, gentle nature when they willingly admit to favoring killing of innocents and violence against the helpless to the tune of 4,000 abortions a day since 1973?

4) Feminists are NOT filled with self-loathing, but are rather filled with a self-absorption and self-worship so intense that they are not even aware that there are other people in the room - much less a man that they are married to or a child in their womb. They care nothing about the rights or suffering of others, if those rights or that suffering stands in the way of their temporary self-gratification in the least. Never forget - @Auragasmic admitted that a single night of sexual gratification was more important to her than the 70 years +/- that the baby in her womb was entitled to.

5) The intellectual shallowness of femtards is exceeded only by their willful immorality. Again, what kind of monster complains of "Domestic Violence" against themselves because someone hurt their feelings or didn't give them money, but justifies the burning of the skin off of a living creature or the crushing of its skull and consequent vacuuming out of its brains or the dicing of it, limb from limb, helpless in the womb, for her own continued personal self-absorption? What kind of morality is it that complains of hurt feelings, but will commit genocide against two generations?

Thanks to everyone for playing!

Empowering Women!

So I am talking to this femtard. She assures me she is neither "doctrinaire" nor "extreme." She isn't a follower of the Femtard Goddess, Oprah, nor does she "hate men." She is a "reasonable" feminist.

So I say to her, "No, you are not a 'reasonable feminist.' Nobody on earth is a 'reasonable feminist' because nobody has ever become a feminist through reason. You are a feminist - to whatever degree - because of your emotions."

"That's the most outrageous thing I have ever heard in my life. I just believe that men and women are equal - that's not emotional, it's a fact." quoth my soon-to-be weeping femtard prey.

"Well," quoth I, "both you and the feminists say that you believe that men and women are equal. But here are two propositions that neither you nor feminists can argue with: first, there are NO facts which indicate that men and women are equal, and secondly, both you AND feminists believe that women are inferior to men."

"Feminists believe that women are inferior to men? You... you're...."

"Exactly," I said. "Listen, I hear your words. I hear you when you say 'Women can do anything that men can do.' I hear feminists say that as well. But I know you are all lying. Lemme ask you something: If women are capable of anything that men are capable of, then why have feminists spent the last 30 years trying to lower standards in the military (for both admission and promotion) so that more women can do what men have already been doing for hundreds of years? If women are capable of doing anything that men are capable of doing, why have feminists spent the last 30 years trying to lower standards in police forces and fire brigades so that more women can get jobs that men have already been doing for hundreds of years? If women are capable of everything that men are capable of, why have feminists spent the last 30 years trying to lower standards of admission - specifically for women, not across the board - so that more women can be admitted to law school, medical school, and MBA programs?"

"Well, just because a woman can't do everything a man can do physically...."

"Oh, so now you admit that men and women are not equally capable?" I said as I cornered her (the first time).

"Uh, no. No, I didn't say that."

"You just said that women can't do what men can do physically," I reminded her.

"Well, you aren't so stupid to believe that a woman who is 5'2, 120 pounds, is going to be able to do everything that a man who is 6'2, 230 pounds can do?" she replied.

"No, I don't believe that at all. But I am not the one who said women and men were equally capable. You said that. So now you are arguing with yourself?"

"No, of course not. But there are some women who are able...."

"But we aren't talking about some women, we are talking about women as a group. Feminists do not desire to hold women to the same standards as men - which would allow some women, those who are able to perform at the same level as men to get the same jobs or opportunities as men - I am more than happy to have women who are physically and otherwise as capable as men to do the things that men do. But that is not the feminist goal. The feminist goal is to lower standards for women so that women who are not capable of doing the things that men are doing can have the jobs that only men are capable of doing well."

"It's not just women, feminists want equality for everybody," she replied, both off-topic and smugly.

"Really? So what feminists really want is for men who are 5'2 and 120 pounds to be given jobs as firemen?" Trapped again, she was.

"Uhhh, maybe so." She lied, of course.

"Really? Because I have never seen any legislation ever introduced by feminists that would have accomplished that! Rather, what I see is a continual desire to define competency down so that - more women alone - so that women can finally manage to reach the ever-decreasing bar of competency and act as if they are equal to the guys who met minimum levels of competency that were much higher."

"That's outrageous."

"Maybe so. But is it wrong? Did I misspeak? Am I factually wrong? Can you tell me any feminist initiative that would have benefited men that are 5'2 and 120 pounds?"

Realizing she was unable to answer, and therefore refusing to do so, she retorted, "Well, just because women are not able to do what men can do physically doesn't mean they are inferior."

"Well, it certainly means they are physically inferior, if physical output is the measuring stick. But we aren't just talking about physically are we?"

"If there is any real difference between men and women, it is physical," she insisted.

"That may or may not be, we haven't established that yet," I replied, as if I knew a secret that she didn't. "But I can guarantee you that feminists do not believe what you just said. Feminists actually believe that women are also intellectually and morally inferior to men."

"I can't do this anymore..." she whined.

"Oh, come on. Don't let reality crowd your neurosis there, OK? You aren't afraid of the truth are you?"

"What you are saying is not the truth."

"How would you know? You haven't even tried to counter it!"

"But I've never heard all this before...."

"Of course not. Feminism depends on the ignorance of the populace - it can't prosper any other way. A mind that had ever been acquainted with merely ONE fact would thoroughly reject the 'Long ago in a land far away' ideology of feminism. But aren't you glad you are hearing it now for the first time?"

"You say such outrageous things. How do feminists believe that women are morally inferior?" At this point, my prey is near tears and is visibly shaken. Her voice quakes.

"Not just morally, but also intellectually inferior. Yes, feminists believe that. They reveal that they believe women are intellectually inferior when they attempt to lower standards for admission to law school, medical school, and MBA programs (among others) so that more women can be employed in the professions. Again, it is pretty clear that if women are equally capable, there is no reason to lower standards."

"No," she said, "what you don't get is that those 'standards' were set by men." When she said "standards," she indicated quotation marks with her fingers.

"What difference does it make who set them? If men and women were equally capable, women should have no problem meeting the standards whether they were set by God, the Queen, or a passing UFO. I mean, which aspect of 'equally capable' do you not understand?"

"Because women were not allowed to give input when these standards were set...."

"Foolishness," said I. "Nobody consulted me when the rules of basketball were designed. That has nothing to do with whether or not I am equally as capable at basketball as is Michael Jordan. Nobody consulted me when the rules of backgammon were designed. Nevertheless, if I am gonna play backgammon, competently or otherwise, I am expected to abide by the rules that were set by somebody else. And by the way, nobody consulted me when VAWA was passed either, and VAWA has far more impact upon men than the rules of backgammon, so your indignation seems both hypocritical and misplaced.... But who makes the rules is irrelevant. We all live in situations in which the rules have been provided by someone else and we are nevertheless expected to excel or demonstrate competence. If I want to claim to be equally as capable as Michael Jordan, then no matter who made the rules, I have to perform with him."

Silence. So I continued.

"So when feminists demand that standards to professional schools be lowered so that women can be admitted and practice law and medicine and whatever, when men have already been entering, leaving, and practicing from Harvard Law for a century or more, they are admitting that they do not believe that women are 'equally capable' with men intellectually.

"Now, let's talk morals..." I continued. "Feminists also do not believe that women are as morally sound as are men."

"See, this is what I hate. You are just being silly now." Smug again. Confident. Right where I want her....

"Well, OK. When feminists changed the Violence Against Women Act [VAWA] under Bill Clinton, it was the legislative enactment of the feminist myth that 'women don't lie about rape, domestic violence, sexual harassment, and abuse.' Of course that silly little fairy tale first gained wide exposure during the Clarence Thomas hearings, when that braying feminist ass, Anita Hill, was revealed to be lying about sexual harassment. And so people rightly guffawed at the myth at the time. But that pissed feminists off so much that they began to seek to have their mythology codified into law - one result of that compunction to enact feminist fairy tales into law was VAWA."

"I don't see what that has to do with women's morals," she interjected. Fair enough. I had been interrupting her as well. Though for two different reasons: I interrupted her because what she was saying wasn't worth hearing, and she interrupted me because she didn't want to face the truth.

"You don't see it because you are talking when you should be listening," I said quite righteously. "Now, as I was saying, the femtard fairy tale that 'women don't lie' was codified in several ways - in the presumption of guilt for those accused (inescapable in Domestic Violence Protective Order [DVPO] proceedings, where the standard of evidence is the 'subjective fear of the woman', but present also in rape proceedings where a woman is referred to as a 'victim' even when she is revealed to be lying about rape, and in shielding her identity without shielding the identity of the one slandered by her), in the exclusion of relevant evidence from courts (so-called 'rape shield' laws, but they represent the only time that I know of in Western jurisprudence in which character evidence that has a direct bearing on the allegations being brought are excluded, even though they could indicate that the accuser is lying), and a lowering of evidentiary standards. Again, the standard of evidence for issuing a restraining order prior to VAWA was 'the probability of harm.' In other words, if the order was not issued, it was probable that harm would accrue to the petitioner. But for a DVPO, the standard of evidence was changed to 'the subjective fear of the woman.' In other words, if a woman can convince a judge that she 'fears' her husband/daddy/lover, then she can take everything he owns and have him treated as a criminal - no evidence necessary."

"What the &^%$ are you talking about? I don't see this!" she objected.

"Let me ask you something: If women are so morally superior to men that they never lie - even if they only never lie about certain things, like sex or violence, why is it necessary to lower the standard of evidence? And by the way, they didn't just lower it, but they lowered it to the extent that it is essentially no standard of evidence at all - merely to make the claim is to be considered to be telling the truth by a court (quite a violation of the "innocent until proven guilty" tradition in Western jurisprudence, wouldn't you say?). If women are morally equal to men, shouldn't their ability to tell the truth be tested by the same standards of evidence that have always tested the testimony of men? Shouldn't the men that they slander be considered innocent except for objective evidence proffered of their guilt? Shouldn't women who slanderously accuse men have to meet the standards of evidence of 'beyond a reasonable doubt,' 'a preponderance of the evidence,' or 'probability/likelihood of harm?' Sure they should! They should, that is, IF it is true that they are just as capable of telling the truth as are men! But by insisting on an impossibly LOW standard of evidence for the complaints that only women make, aren't feminists simply demanding to be believed for the sake of their own complaint? And if I insist that YOU believe ME just because, am I not admitting to you that there is something wrong with me or my story, and asking to be given the benefit of the doubt? And if I am asking to be given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to telling the truth in court under oath, am I not admitting that in the moral matter of telling the truth, I am morally inferior to those who must prove their complaints with real evidence?"

"You know, I don't think either of us is going to change each other's mind," she stated, rather than trying to rebut my exquisite logic.

"Of course we aren't. You won't change my mind because I am right and you are wrong. And I won't change your mind because you are not interested in truth and facts."

"What you are saying isn't the truth," she stated again.

"Then why won't you show the error in what I have said?"

"You know," she said, "It's not all about facts. People's opinions matter."

"No, people's opinions don't matter at all. They are all different, and generally contradictory. How can they all be true? And if they are not true, how can they matter? After all, it is our responsibility to form our opinions based on reality, not to try to bring reality into conformity with our opinions, as feminists do."

"There's more to it than that," she said. "It's not all about facts and truth. It's about self-worth and self-esteem. It's about a world in which I can feel good about myself."

"Thank you," I said.

"Thank me for what?" she asked.

"Thank you," I said again, "for admitting that you are a feminist because of feelings and not facts. As I said when we started talking about this, no feminist ever became a feminist intellectually. It's all about feeling, emotions, and a certain neurotic preference for castles in the air rather than cold, hard, reality."

Full circle....